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Doc_Sonar

2/21/2012 6:20 pm
California, Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and North & South Dakota

have the largest numbers of citizens of German origin or descent.

Imagine if their state flags looked like this:


OK.

I was just looking at state flags on a site that cited flag half-masting (concerning the furor of NJ lowering the flag in Whitney Houston’s honor) and took note of Mississippi's -

- which still incorporates the confederate battle flag, and of course, Florida and Alabama still have the 'X' shape, but without the familiar stars within.

Seem many instances fall short of the standards/criteria some feel disqualified Whitney.

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Doc_Sonar

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Doc_Sonar
12074 posts

2/21/2012 6:25 pm

By 1863 the Southern Cross/Confederate battle flag/Navy Jack had 13 stars, with having been joined officially by four more states, Virginia (April 17, 1861), Arkansas (May 6, 1861), Tennessee (May 7, 1861), North Carolina (May 21, 1861). Efforts to secede failed in Kentucky and Missouri though those states were represented by two of the stars.

'...The South denies any relation to...hate groups [KKK, skinheads, etc.,] and denies them the right to use the flags of the confederacy for any purpose. The crimes committed by these groups under the stolen banner of the confederacy only exacerbate the lies which link the secession to slavery interests when, from a Southerner's view, the cause was state's rights.' (italics. mine)
-BJ Meksikatsi.

The 'Lost Cause' Myth remains stubborn. Despite a ‘Southerner’s’ view,' the secessionists knew why they seceded...and they said so -- in writing. It wasn't 'state’s rights’. They seceded because they wanted to keep the ‘peculiar institution’ of slavery, the way of life it afforded, and white supremacy.

“Southern 'Pride' for a beloved fallen nation?”
Really?

We also know the reasons behind the Nazi's final solution; revisionist history and continued atrocities were forbidden there in postwar Germany, just - not postwar here in America where Jim Crow did everything except put on physical shackles.

How astounding is it that the near worldwide offensiveness of displaying the swastika/flag and what it represents is so evident while with so many, displaying the southern cross/confederate battle flag is not?

Each of those philosophies was on the wrong side of history, humaneness, and decency I think. When this and other non-revisionist, non- historigraphical information is included in all our history texts, I’ll lead the march to abandon BHM (its usefulness would be obsolete at last.....)
Not before.


Happy Black History Month!
Breathe Deeply~
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Doc_Sonar

I advocate Simplicity, Patience & Compassion...and...More than Ever -
"I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it." ~G Keillor

zaftigcurves
26971 posts

2/22/2012 4:21 am

It makes me sad every time I see the Confederate flag (in a non-historical context - history books and museums are in a different context.)

Life is short. Take big bites.

Speak and act from love, or else shut up and sit on your hands.


Doc_Sonar replies on 2/25/2012 12:00 pm:
Nods...it induces a feeling in Me too, all right...
xoxo
JohnnyLightning
3408 posts

2/22/2012 7:19 am

Doc, Whitney Houston will be remembered as a great artist and performer.
I'm sure that she has and will be inspirational to many upcoming performers.

The fact that the American flag was wrongly lowered to half staff in her honor is another issue. The NJ Governor's intentions were in the right place but are against protocol and laws.


Doc_Sonar replies on 2/25/2012 12:05 pm:
Half-masting the US flag for Whitney isn't in the flag code/protocols, true JL.
And some did appreciate his intent as you say. It was fine by Me.
The Big-Dealness passes Me by even now.
BD~
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_SirThomas_
253 posts 

2/22/2012 8:55 am

Good day Doc,
And may the blessings of life come your way.

The first time I saw a swastika it was on my mother's native american leather wrist band. The band was very old, pre 1930's by many years. The next time I remember seeing the symbol it was associated with Nazi Germany. In college the swastika was introduced as a ancient greek cosmic symbol in one of my classes. Years later I came across the symbol in my time on the sub continent (with no association with Nazi Germany.)
Your reference to citizens with German heritage did guide me to one of those associations for the swastika.
I wonder what it says about me that I do not assume this image is the exclusive symbol of one idea. Is it a fault or something else of mine.
Now, I would not comment here on this, except Doc, you are a thoughtful soul who might make comment back that would engage my thinking if not expand it.

Bows to the gentleman who owns the blog.
Sir Thomas


Doc_Sonar replies on 2/25/2012 12:14 pm:
Bows back Sir Thomas.

THe symbol IS ancient ST...existing in benign & spiritual use long before the Nazi's used it.

Interestingly, in order for the swastika to be recognized as a symbol of the Nazi Germany, it has to roll to the right, not the left.

The Star-filled cross of the confederacy also has an origin outside of the US Civil war,...St. Andrew's cross was - used in?? England?

Another symbol perversion..the Christian cross burned by the KKK...
MAny Southerners' simply don't associate the Battle Flag with what the original Confederates certainly,admittedly associated it with...
their unawareness/revised intent, tho', is no less offensive, painful...

YTB
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gooeyfruitbat
20648 posts 

2/23/2012 10:24 am

On a closely related subject... see my post: forget about the di vinci code...LEARN TO SPOT NAZI CODE!

gooeyfruitbat . . . I rather be cute than tuff (but it doesn't hurt...)

/|\_^..^_/|\ THE BATTY !!!!


Doc_Sonar replies on 2/25/2012 12:32 pm:
Hell yes...and that is an amazing eye-opening post and related links batty..

I'm as convinced as ever that most American are either unaware or cognitively disassociate from the realities of Neo-Nazis/Aryans and their white supremacist, non-Aryan people-hating ilk.
SInce I read this long ago, I've come upon countless uses of the Codes...

Sick shit.
Sick (dnagerous) People as we see them.

But Hell - let's talk about Obama's shortcomings and fascism/racism instead, yeah?


And oh~

Hope things continue to balance & heal up with you...

YTB


~BD
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wickedsurrender
9752 posts

2/24/2012 8:21 pm

Folks pick odd battles, for sure.

~R~
Honoured to be collared by my beloved Master S


Doc_Sonar replies on 2/25/2012 12:48 pm:
Yes R...you said it!

...and we could assemble an encyclopedia of examples I think...


RTYO
BD~
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mysweetthrill
1244 posts

2/26/2012 6:45 pm

You know Doc,

I am one of those folks of full germanic descent from Wisconsin. You made a mighty big leap about people in the US of german heritage automatically being nazi sympathizers. I mean seriously? That is like saying every white person today in the south is a card carrying member of the KKK, or at least has leanings. While I am not so naive as to think there aren't some out there in either case, the cause to stereotype has me disappointed. I can honestly say that growing up in many small towns over WI, I can't say I have ever witnessed any pro-nazi activities. While there have been German, Polish and Swedish heritage festivals, they were no different than many of the varied heritage festivals promoting the culture and flavors of a people and culture in any other part of the country.

You really took me back with this one.
MST

Doc_Sonar
12074 posts

2/26/2012 8:00 pm

    Quoting mysweetthrill:
    You know Doc,

    I am one of those folks of full germanic descent from Wisconsin. You made a mighty big leap about people in the US of german heritage automatically being nazi sympathizers. I mean seriously? That is like saying every white person today in the south is a card carrying member of the KKK, or at least has leanings. While I am not so naive as to think there aren't some out there in either case, the cause to stereotype has me disappointed. I can honestly say that growing up in many small towns over WI, I can't say I have ever witnessed any pro-nazi activities. While there have been German, Polish and Swedish heritage festivals, they were no different than many of the varied heritage festivals promoting the culture and flavors of a people and culture in any other part of the country.

    You really took me back with this one.
    MST
You heard Me say that

'people in the US of german heritage [are] automatically...nazi sympathizers' in this post?

Where?


Doc_Sonar

I advocate Simplicity, Patience & Compassion...and...More than Ever -
"I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it." ~G Keillor

mysweetthrill
1244 posts

2/27/2012 4:07 pm

While the rest of the post doesn't say that at all, I have to tell you that the inference even in an imaginary setting if not read clearly is disturbing enough that nothing else is read. But I guess that was the response you were trying to get.

I wonder, if in pressing all the other buttons in the elevator, if the floor you really want to go to gets missed sometimes.

Doc_Sonar
12074 posts

2/27/2012 4:44 pm

    Quoting mysweetthrill:
    While the rest of the post doesn't say that at all, I have to tell you that the inference even in an imaginary setting if not read clearly is disturbing enough that nothing else is read. But I guess that was the response you were trying to get.

    I wonder, if in pressing all the other buttons in the elevator, if the floor you really want to go to gets missed sometimes.
Cool.

Glad u read it through, baby. If it HAD been about what you first perceived, then suppose I said that I'd be a trillion times more disappointed & taken aback in Me than you were - or anyone could have been.


The gist? How one horrific symbol is universally recognized for what it is, and the other, not even close.
That picture of right-leaning swastikas on those US State flags...as difficult as it is to imagine...is how many see the Confederate battle flag on state flags (or displayed) with

Pride...

That's what I intended to show. How Unthinkable the idea is.
There was no other inference like you first thought.

Ty for coming back.

xoxo

Doc_Sonar

I advocate Simplicity, Patience & Compassion...and...More than Ever -
"I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it." ~G Keillor

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