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2/21/2012 6:20 pm |
California, Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and North & South Dakota have the largest numbers of citizens of German origin or descent. Imagine if their state flags looked like this: ![]() OK. I was just looking at state flags on a site that cited flag half-masting (concerning the furor of NJ lowering the flag in Whitney Houston’s honor) and took note of Mississippi's - - which still incorporates the confederate battle flag, and of course, Florida and Alabama still have the 'X' shape, but without the familiar stars within. Seem many instances fall short of the standards/criteria some feel disqualified Whitney. +++ BHM Fun Facts Inside Breathe Deeply~ Peace img: web Doc_Sonar I advocate Simplicity, Patience & Compassion...and...More than Ever - "I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it." ~G Keillor |
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2/21/2012 6:25 pm |
By 1863 the Southern Cross/Confederate battle flag/Navy Jack had 13 stars, with having been joined officially by four more states, Virginia (April 17, 1861), Arkansas (May 6, 1861), Tennessee (May 7, 1861), North Carolina (May 21, 1861). Efforts to secede failed in Kentucky and Missouri though those states were represented by two of the stars. '...The South denies any relation to...hate groups [KKK, skinheads, etc.,] and denies them the right to use the flags of the confederacy for any purpose. The crimes committed by these groups under the stolen banner of the confederacy only exacerbate the lies which link the secession to slavery interests when, from a Southerner's view, the cause was state's rights.' (italics. mine) -BJ Meksikatsi. The 'Lost Cause' Myth remains stubborn. Despite a ‘Southerner’s’ view,' the secessionists knew why they seceded...and they said so -- in writing. It wasn't 'state’s rights’. They seceded because they wanted to keep the ‘peculiar institution’ of slavery, the way of life it afforded, and white supremacy. “Southern 'Pride' for a beloved fallen nation?” Really? We also know the reasons behind the Nazi's final solution; revisionist history and continued atrocities were forbidden there in postwar Germany, just - not postwar here in America where Jim Crow did everything except put on physical shackles. How astounding is it that the near worldwide offensiveness of displaying the swastika/flag and what it represents is so evident while with so many, displaying the southern cross/confederate battle flag is not? Each of those philosophies was on the wrong side of history, humaneness, and decency I think. When this and other non-revisionist, non- historigraphical information is included in all our history texts, I’ll lead the march to abandon BHM (its usefulness would be obsolete at last.....) Not before. Happy Black History Month! Breathe Deeply~ Peace Doc_Sonar I advocate Simplicity, Patience & Compassion...and...More than Ever - "I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it." ~G Keillor
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2/22/2012 4:21 am |
It makes me sad every time I see the Confederate flag (in a non-historical context - history books and museums are in a different context.) ![]() Speak and act from love, or else shut up and sit on your hands.
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2/22/2012 7:19 am |
Doc, Whitney Houston will be remembered as a great artist and performer. I'm sure that she has and will be inspirational to many upcoming performers. The fact that the American flag was wrongly lowered to half staff in her honor is another issue. The NJ Governor's intentions were in the right place but are against protocol and laws.
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2/22/2012 8:55 am |
Good day Doc, And may the blessings of life come your way. The first time I saw a swastika it was on my mother's native american leather wrist band. The band was very old, pre 1930's by many years. The next time I remember seeing the symbol it was associated with Nazi Germany. In college the swastika was introduced as a ancient greek cosmic symbol in one of my classes. Years later I came across the symbol in my time on the sub continent (with no association with Nazi Germany.) Your reference to citizens with German heritage did guide me to one of those associations for the swastika. I wonder what it says about me that I do not assume this image is the exclusive symbol of one idea. Is it a fault or something else of mine. Now, I would not comment here on this, except Doc, you are a thoughtful soul who might make comment back that would engage my thinking if not expand it. Bows to the gentleman who owns the blog. Sir Thomas
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2/23/2012 10:24 am |
On a closely related subject... see my post: forget about the di vinci code...LEARN TO SPOT NAZI CODE! gooeyfruitbat . . . I rather be cute than tuff (but it doesn't hurt...) /|\_^..^_/|\ THE BATTY !!!!
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2/24/2012 8:21 pm |
Folks pick odd battles, for sure. Honoured to be collared by my beloved Master S
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2/26/2012 6:45 pm |
You know Doc, I am one of those folks of full germanic descent from Wisconsin. You made a mighty big leap about people in the US of german heritage automatically being nazi sympathizers. I mean seriously? That is like saying every white person today in the south is a card carrying member of the KKK, or at least has leanings. While I am not so naive as to think there aren't some out there in either case, the cause to stereotype has me disappointed. I can honestly say that growing up in many small towns over WI, I can't say I have ever witnessed any pro-nazi activities. While there have been German, Polish and Swedish heritage festivals, they were no different than many of the varied heritage festivals promoting the culture and flavors of a people and culture in any other part of the country. You really took me back with this one. MST
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2/26/2012 8:00 pm |
You know Doc, I am one of those folks of full germanic descent from Wisconsin. You made a mighty big leap about people in the US of german heritage automatically being nazi sympathizers. I mean seriously? That is like saying every white person today in the south is a card carrying member of the KKK, or at least has leanings. While I am not so naive as to think there aren't some out there in either case, the cause to stereotype has me disappointed. I can honestly say that growing up in many small towns over WI, I can't say I have ever witnessed any pro-nazi activities. While there have been German, Polish and Swedish heritage festivals, they were no different than many of the varied heritage festivals promoting the culture and flavors of a people and culture in any other part of the country. You really took me back with this one. MST 'people in the US of german heritage [are] automatically...nazi sympathizers' in this post? Where? ![]() Doc_Sonar I advocate Simplicity, Patience & Compassion...and...More than Ever - "I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it." ~G Keillor
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2/27/2012 4:07 pm |
While the rest of the post doesn't say that at all, I have to tell you that the inference even in an imaginary setting if not read clearly is disturbing enough that nothing else is read. But I guess that was the response you were trying to get. I wonder, if in pressing all the other buttons in the elevator, if the floor you really want to go to gets missed sometimes.
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2/27/2012 4:44 pm |
While the rest of the post doesn't say that at all, I have to tell you that the inference even in an imaginary setting if not read clearly is disturbing enough that nothing else is read. But I guess that was the response you were trying to get. I wonder, if in pressing all the other buttons in the elevator, if the floor you really want to go to gets missed sometimes. Glad u read it through, baby. If it HAD been about what you first perceived, then suppose I said that I'd be a trillion times more disappointed & taken aback in Me than you were - or anyone could have been. ![]() The gist? How one horrific symbol is universally recognized for what it is, and the other, not even close. That picture of right-leaning swastikas on those US State flags...as difficult as it is to imagine...is how many see the Confederate battle flag on state flags (or displayed) with Pride... That's what I intended to show. How Unthinkable the idea is. There was no other inference like you first thought. Ty for coming back. xoxo Doc_Sonar I advocate Simplicity, Patience & Compassion...and...More than Ever - "I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it." ~G Keillor
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